Re: [politics] is another Munich in making?

From: [email protected]
Date: Sun Mar 30 2014 - 21:07:26 EST


Here's another source:

http://www.unian.ua/politics/902211-kerri-lavrovu-niyakih-rishen-schodo-ukrajini-bez-uchasti-yatsenyuka.html

Three at the table?

Quoting Francine Ponomarenko <[email protected]>:

> And Krym?
> Whatever are those khokhly on about?
>
> I really think Ukraine needs to seriously think about taking a leaf out of
> Israel's handbook.
>
> With a bratskyj narod like the northern neighbour, you have to be really on
> the ball.
>
> On Sunday, 30 March 2014, <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> More on Kerry's reaction to the Lavrov "federalization" proposal:
>>
>> http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/03/31/7020816/
>>
>> Quoting Francine Ponomarenko <[email protected]>:
>>
>> I was reading one article the other day where the writer said kyiv is
>>> crawling with all kinds of political scientists and political specialists
>>> from Russia asking to meet with various ukrainian political scientists.
>>> The
>>> writer said that it's clear they want to talk about federalization, and
>>> Russian language issues, with the intent to influence these ukrainian
>>> intellectuals.
>>> I regret I did not note down that article.
>>>
>>> I just ch is Le monde! and there is not much there beyond what we have
>>> here
>>> already, but federalization is being called a Trojan horse.
>>>
>>> Now I guess we will be watching how much the EU and the USA will push
>>> Ukraine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 30 March 2014, Ivan Kravchenko <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The meeting with Lavrov is over.
>>>>
>>>> "It is not up to us to make any decision or agreement regarding
>>>> federalization. It is up to Ukrainians."
>>>> Kerry
>>>>
>>>> Kerry also stressed that Ukraine would have to be at the table for
>>>> negotiations. And he said the Russian troop buildup along the border is
>>>> creating a climate of fear and intimidation in Ukraine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "The question is not one of right or legality, the question is one of
>>>> strategic appropriateness and whether it's smart at this moment of time
>>>> to
>>>> have troops massed on the border."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014, Francine Ponomarenko wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Note the Russian threat: Lavrov says if their demands are not met, they
>>>>
>>>>> have
>>>>> the right " to take appropriate action."So do as we say, and shut up.
>>>>> And we
>>>>> will continue inside Ukraine with our fifth column anyhow, goes without
>>>>> saying.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the Muscovites will work from inside to break Ukraine apart, while
>>>>> the
>>>>> west will wring its hands, and business as usual.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, 30 March 2014, Ivan Kravchenko <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The Kerry-Lavrov meeting in Paris has been under way for more
>>>>> than 5 hours already. Will fate of Ukraine be decided by someone
>>>>> else again?
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/30/russia-
>>>>> ukraine-john-kerry-serg
>>>>> ei-lavrov-paris
>>>>>
>>>>> "Frankly speaking, we don't see any other way for the steady
>>>>> development of the Ukrainian state apart from as a federation,"
>>>>> he added. Under the Russian plan, which Barack Obama and
>>>>> Vladimir Putin reportedly discussed in a phone call initiated by
>>>>> Moscow on Friday, each region would have control of its economy,
>>>>> taxes, culture, language, education and "external economic and
>>>>> cultural connections with neighbouring countries or regions,"
>>>>> Lavrov said.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lavrov made no mention of the Ukraine elections or any possible
>>>>> withdrawal from Crimea. Many analysts now predict that in any
>>>>> deal, the US and its western allies, and thus Kiev, will be
>>>>> forced to accept the annexation as a fait accompli
>>>>>
>>>>> The Obama administration has insisted Russia withdraw its forces
>>>>> from Crimea, reduce its military build-up on the eastern border,
>>>>> respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine and support
>>>>> national polls due in May to elect a new president and
>>>>> government.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Russian proposal to radically alter the way Ukraine is
>>>>> governed and administered is certain to arouse strong opposition
>>>>> in Kiev, where it will be viewed by critics of Moscow's
>>>>> intervention in Crimea as a roundabout way of breaking up or
>>>>> partitioning the country.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>



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