Re: [politics] is another Munich in making?

From: Francine Ponomarenko ([email protected])
Date: Sun Mar 30 2014 - 20:03:30 EST


And Krym?
Whatever are those khokhly on about?

I really think Ukraine needs to seriously think about taking a leaf out of
Israel's handbook.

With a bratskyj narod like the northern neighbour, you have to be really on
the ball.

On Sunday, 30 March 2014, <[email protected]> wrote:

> More on Kerry's reaction to the Lavrov "federalization" proposal:
>
> http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/03/31/7020816/
>
> Quoting Francine Ponomarenko <[email protected]>:
>
> I was reading one article the other day where the writer said kyiv is
>> crawling with all kinds of political scientists and political specialists
>> from Russia asking to meet with various ukrainian political scientists.
>> The
>> writer said that it's clear they want to talk about federalization, and
>> Russian language issues, with the intent to influence these ukrainian
>> intellectuals.
>> I regret I did not note down that article.
>>
>> I just ch is Le monde! and there is not much there beyond what we have
>> here
>> already, but federalization is being called a Trojan horse.
>>
>> Now I guess we will be watching how much the EU and the USA will push
>> Ukraine.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, 30 March 2014, Ivan Kravchenko <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The meeting with Lavrov is over.
>>>
>>> "It is not up to us to make any decision or agreement regarding
>>> federalization. It is up to Ukrainians."
>>> Kerry
>>>
>>> Kerry also stressed that Ukraine would have to be at the table for
>>> negotiations. And he said the Russian troop buildup along the border is
>>> creating a climate of fear and intimidation in Ukraine.
>>>
>>>
>>> "The question is not one of right or legality, the question is one of
>>> strategic appropriateness and whether it's smart at this moment of time
>>> to
>>> have troops massed on the border."
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2014, Francine Ponomarenko wrote:
>>>
>>> Note the Russian threat: Lavrov says if their demands are not met, they
>>>
>>>> have
>>>> the right " to take appropriate action."So do as we say, and shut up.
>>>> And we
>>>> will continue inside Ukraine with our fifth column anyhow, goes without
>>>> saying.
>>>>
>>>> And the Muscovites will work from inside to break Ukraine apart, while
>>>> the
>>>> west will wring its hands, and business as usual.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, 30 March 2014, Ivan Kravchenko <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The Kerry-Lavrov meeting in Paris has been under way for more
>>>> than 5 hours already. Will fate of Ukraine be decided by someone
>>>> else again?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/30/russia-
>>>> ukraine-john-kerry-serg
>>>> ei-lavrov-paris
>>>>
>>>> "Frankly speaking, we don't see any other way for the steady
>>>> development of the Ukrainian state apart from as a federation,"
>>>> he added. Under the Russian plan, which Barack Obama and
>>>> Vladimir Putin reportedly discussed in a phone call initiated by
>>>> Moscow on Friday, each region would have control of its economy,
>>>> taxes, culture, language, education and "external economic and
>>>> cultural connections with neighbouring countries or regions,"
>>>> Lavrov said.
>>>>
>>>> Lavrov made no mention of the Ukraine elections or any possible
>>>> withdrawal from Crimea. Many analysts now predict that in any
>>>> deal, the US and its western allies, and thus Kiev, will be
>>>> forced to accept the annexation as a fait accompli
>>>>
>>>> The Obama administration has insisted Russia withdraw its forces
>>>> from Crimea, reduce its military build-up on the eastern border,
>>>> respect the territorial integrity of Ukraine and support
>>>> national polls due in May to elect a new president and
>>>> government.
>>>>
>>>> The Russian proposal to radically alter the way Ukraine is
>>>> governed and administered is certain to arouse strong opposition
>>>> in Kiev, where it will be viewed by critics of Moscow's
>>>> intervention in Crimea as a roundabout way of breaking up or
>>>> partitioning the country.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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