Re: [politics] Putin speech

From: [email protected]
Date: Tue Mar 18 2014 - 09:13:43 EST


I agree mistakes were made.

It is hard to deploy forces when the top echelons of
the armed forces were compromised by Yanukovych appointees.

They were not even sure who could be trusted. In fact they
had to get rid of the General Chief of Staff who was
originally stationed in Crimea. The armed forces in Ukraine
is 130k strong but the army was only 20k strong and only
6k had regular training versus a force brought in from
Russia which is battle hardened from the Caucuses and
was their professional portion of their armed forces.
Add in 200k troops deployed on the eastern border at the
exact same time ready to invade. Thus their hesitation.

There is always an adjustment time in stable democracies
as new governments take on the reigns of power -- these
guys had no time plus the bureaucracy and so many organs
of power had been compromised to complicate matters.

Me personally, I would have sent the army out from their
bases and find out who was loyal or not. In an amazing way
we discovered it was only the one Admiral in Crimea that
was disloyal.

You are right.

Problem has been timidity not to rock the boat. In some
ways they were trying to please the West instead of doing
what was right for Ukraine.

It is time for the timidity to end and for the leaders
to grow a pair.

Roman Serbyn wrote:
>
>
> [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> " I gather Eastern & Southern Ukraine will be invaded as he was emboldened by the West's very weak and slow response"
>
> I think he was emboldened by the incomprehensible and defeatist
> "strategy" and tactif of "not provoking" the unidentified green
> bandits. Putin stated that the Russian forces in Crimea never
> reached the 25,000 strong allowed by the U-R agreement and
> mentioned that there were 20,000 Ukrainian troops on the
> peninsula. Surely the latter could have arrested the green
> bandits that belonged to no country [Putin said they were not
> Russian] and thus could have stopped the creeping peaceful
> invasion. Only one Ukrainian admiral defected to the enemy
> and he was not followed by the officers when he called upon
> them to go with him. Yesterday I head some of the Ukrainian
> soldiers in Crimea complaining to a foreign journalist that
> Kyiv abandoned them.
>
> As the Sochi games were going on, everybody was expecting for
> Putin to strike at Ukraine, as soon as the games were over.
> What was not known was how and where. As soon as the greenmen
> appeared it became obvious that the invasion would come via
> Crimea and the tactic would be one of peaceful popular movement
> of the Russian population for "reunion" with "mother Russia".
> Help would be unofficial by means of hidden provocateurs from
> the outside. At that time, Kyiv immediately should have set
> up a special department to deal with that situation. Instead,
> the government reacted with a "Do not provoke...!!!" strategy.
> The rest is history.
>
> If this "do not provoke" strategy continues, Putin's green
> tourists have no reason not to continue their peaceful promenade
> to the gates of Kyiv. And then some patriots, unhappy with the
> government "pragmatists" may try to stage some popular Kruty.
>

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