Why isn't the Ukrainian navy removing the sunken ships in Sevastopol? I
suggest booby trapping the pipelines.
PI
On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:55 PM, Ivan Kravchenko <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>
> The Ukrainian Navy listed in 2007 27 combat ships and cutters. The
> Russians blocked in Donuzlav 9 vessels:
>
> -two amphibious assault ships;
> -corvette "Vinnytsya"
> - mine sweeepers "chernihiv" and "Henichesk"
> -cutter "Feodisiya" (special ops)
> -commanding corvette "Slavutych"
> -corvette "Ternopil"
>
> There is also in that place the only Ukrainian submarine "Zaporizzya". It
> has never been fit to battle and currently is welded to the pier to
> prevent its sinking.
>
>
> The rest of the Ukrainian Navy, including ocean going frigate "Herman
> Sahaydachny" is in Odesa.
>
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2014, Olena Boyko wrote:
>
> > KIND OF FAR FETCHED, NOT THAT THAT EVER STOPPED PUTIN.
> >
> > STRAITS ARE NOT NEAR RUSSIAN TERRITORY, TURKEY HAS NAVAL BASES NEAR
> BLACK SEA ENTRANCE, WHICH IS QUITE WIDE AND DEEP, AND THEY ARE PROBABLY ON
> HIGH ALERT. IF RUSSIA BLOCKS THE STRAITS, MY SCENARIO IS THAT THEY GET
> BLOWN UP.
> >
> > ODESSA'S PORT IS WIDE OPEN, NOT AN ENCLOSED HARBOR LIKE IN OCHAKIV UP
> THE COAST. NOT POSSIBLE FOR RUSSIAN SHIPS TO APPROACH STEALTHILY. IT IS A
> SPRAWLING SEAPORT WITH RUMANIAN COAST AT MOST A FEW HOURS AWAY.
> >
> > Sorry for the caps. I have sailed these waters many times in my
> sailboat. To block the entrance to Sevastopol harbour is easy as the
> breakwaters extend way out and the narrow entrance was always
> booby-trapped. Russian blockade and sunk ship is inside the breakwater.
> >
> > Lack of foresight that Ukrainian ships did not move out of their slips
> and stay outside the harbour. Underwater sSabotage was a consideration but
> I hope there is a Ukrainian Seal Diving Team.
> >
> > The Russian fleet there would have been decimated if all the Ukrainian
> captains had taken their ships out of Sevastopol and streamed toward Odessa
> when independance was declared. We had only one hero, Capt. Nastenko, who
> saved the Sahaidachnyj for Ukraine. The otehrs chickened out and most of
> the ships became Russian property.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Mike Reshitnyk
> > To: [email protected]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 3:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: [politics] Fw: Putin's Possible Next Move - Mikolayev &
> Odessa
> >
> >
> > ". . . The USS GHW Bush (CVN-77) is currently in Athens. Bring it up
> to the Black Sea, along with its battle group, have it stand off of Odessa,
> and put up a no-fly zone over both Odessa and Mickolayev . . ."
> >
> >
> > As warships, and under the Montreux Convention, the United States
> would have to get permission from Turkey who control the straits (there are
> two of them) to cross the straits.
> >
> > Assuming they do, wouldn't it be funny if once in the Black Sea and
> off Odessa, Russia sinks some blockade ships across the straits - one is
> about 700m wide, the other about 1200m wide - trapping the aircraft carrier
> and its escorting battle group?
> >
> > Of course, this would be in defiance of Turkey and international law
> and cause tons of additional international problems, but Russia has done
> stranger things in the past
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Olena Boyko
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 9:18 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [politics] Fw: Putin's Possible Next Move - Mikolayev & Odessa
> >
> >
> > This is from private communication. I have erased an identifying
> items and am sending it only as a FYI to share.
> >
> > Putin's Possible Next Move - Mikolayev & Odessa
> >
> > I think Putin's next move might be against Mickolayev or Odessa and,
> if I'm right, it would be catastrophic, for Ukraine, for Europe and for the
> > US Administration and US global interests in general. I think the US
> > needs to be ready for this, and hopes that it doesn't happen. The USS
> > GHW Bush (CVN-77) is currently in Athens. Bring it up to the Black
> > Sea, along with its battle group, have it stand off of Odessa, and put
> > up a no-fly zone over both Odessa and Mickolayev. That would deter
> > the Russians and limit their incursion to Crimea (at least for now).
> >
> > I was listening.....It was an interview with a commodities trader who,
> of course,
> > gets paid by trying to figure out what is the absolute worst-case
> > scenario, and then figuring out how to deal with it. He said, among
> > other things, that the commodity that has increased the most this year
> > was not gold. It is corn. Ukraine is the world's 3rd largest corn
> > exporter. I think part of the reason, aside from the lousy weather
> in
> > the US, is that there is some concern that Odessa and Mickolayev, which
> > are the 2 largest export terminals in Ukraine will be cut off. If
> > people are willing to bet money on even this possibility then the US
> > should listen. American taxpayers pay people to think about what the
> > absolute worst thing that can happen, and plan for it. Anyway, this
> > guy convinced me.
> >
> > Russia shipped a lot of the "troops" who are in Crimea by transport
> from Sochi, so they now have the ships available in Sevastopol to move to
> > Odessa and Mickolayev. It would be very easy for the Russians, once
> > they've secured Crimea, to move all these troops a few miles west and
> take both of these cities and, effectively, shut down a major part of
> > Ukraine's economy. It would be the one thing that Putin can do,
> > today, that would completely wreck the new Ukrainian Govt. I don't
> > they are going to be deterred by the rhetoric currently coming out of
> > either the Administration or the EU. In addition, it would secure
> > Crimea's water and power supply, both of which come from around
> Mickolayev.
> >
> > It would be a very simple and low cost move to have the USS GHW Bush
> and her battle group transit the Bosporus, and I think it would go a long
> way toward insuring that the worst outcome won't happen.
> > They could be on station in 2 days.
> > Conversely, let's consider what would happen if
> > Putin does move against Mickolayev and Odessa, and it comes out that
> the
> > GHW Bush was in Odessa and made no move to transit to the Black Sea.
> > It would be Benghazi on steroids
> >
> >
> > Mike Reshitnyk
> > http://www.pbase.com/madmedic
>
>
>
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