Re: [politics]Will Putin strike quickly? (Was: Defiant Yanukovych

From: [email protected]
Date: Tue Mar 11 2014 - 10:51:30 EST


There are other videos that are wide shots, there was an audience
but he did not answer any questions. At times I thought he was
going to cry -- yes cry over all those lost billions frozen in
foreign institutions.

Putin is right, politically he has no political future and by him
not denouncing the invasion of Crimea should solidify our opinions
on his act of treason and lack of a moral center.

Fran Ponomarenko wrote:
>
> Yes, but as I said in the other post, after his last declaration there was
> the invasion. And he doesnt make statements without putins consent. By the
> way, was this a prerecording. No sight of any journalists.
>
> On Tuesday, 11 March 2014, <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > IMHO the answer is "No". For multiple reasons and indicators.
> > 1. Putin will not move against Kherson, Mykolaiv, or Odesa. He has no
> > effective fifth column or mass support there, and has been unable to
> > "fabricate" any semblance thereof (like in the Donbas). There is no
> > autonomy that can produce his troops as "our army".
> > 2. The Ukrainian army has sufficient power to resist effectively West of
> > the Dnipro. Tenyukh's figures are politically motivated for the Crimean
> > situation.Putin cannot afford to be "bogged down" like Hitler at
> > Stalingrad...
> > 3. He wpuld have to OPENLY invade with the Russian army. He won't do that.
> > 4. Next: Ukraine's public opinion has moved so decisively against him that
> > he won't even move against the Donbas or Kharkiv.
> > 5. Kharkiv> The chief Putinist is out of power and under arrest (Dobkin).
> > Kernes, the mayor, in spite of his "turnaround" and support for the
> > legitimacy of Kyiv, is next. He has been called today as a suspect to the
> > Attorney general's office in Kyiv.
> > 5. Donbas. Putin's "support" turns out to be largely manufactured.
> > "Titushky" from Russia, led by a true Nazi (not just a term of opprobrium
> > here). Taruta knows his region and will produce a "public opinion poll"
> > that will be devastating for Putin.
> > 6. Here too the invasion would have to be OPENLY Russian. This is not an
> > option now.
> >
> > The best Putin can hope for is to keep the Crimea. He has even called
> > (today) for Djemilev to come to Moscow for discussions!!
> > Even that is going to be extremely costly for him.
> >
> > We'll see how much as the next few days proceed: What will Yatseniuk get
> > from Obama? What will the EU do?
> >
> > So I would suggest that at the moment any further offensives are not in
> > the cards.
> >
> > Again IMHO.
> >
> > I didn't react to Yanuk because Yanuk is completely irrelevant now.
> >
> > Quoting [email protected]:
> >>
> >> Dream on -- he will return but in handcuffs
> >>
> >> It is criminal to decimate the army so that Ukraine had only 6,000 combat
> >> ready troops :O so Ukraine was not even in a position to defend itself.
> >> This no doubt was part of the master plan of Putins.
> >>
> >>
> >> Defiant Yanukovych Says He'll Return To Kyiv
> >> http://www.rferl.org/content/yanukovych-ukraine-appearance-
> >> russia-rostov-crimea/25292472.html
> >> By RFE/RL
> >> March 11, 2014
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.rferl.org/media/video/25293029.html
> >>
> >> A defiant Viktor Yanukovych, ousted as Ukrainian president, has
> >> reiterated from exile that he is still the country's leader and remains
> >> commander of the country's armed forces.
> >>
> >> In a short statement delivered from the southern Russian city of
> >> Rostov-on-Don, Yanukovych said he is sure the armed forces would refuse to
> >> obey any "criminal orders" and that he intends to return to Kyiv as
> >> "circumstances permit," saying, "I am sure it won't be long."
> >>
> >> He added: "I want to remind everyone that I remain not only the single
> >> legitimate president of Ukraine, but also the supreme commander in chief
> >> [of the armed forces]. I did not discontinue my duties before the end of my
> >> term. I am alive. I have not been removed from my post by means defined in
> >> the constitution of Ukraine."
> >>
> >> He denounced the West as "protectors of the dark forces" currently in
> >> power, calling the current government "a band of ultranationalists and
> >> neo-fascists." He said a presidential election set for May is illegal.
> >>
> >> "In the U.S. and some other countries, they insist that I have lost my
> >> legitimacy as the president because I have fled the country. I repeat: I
> >> have not fled anywhere," Yanukovych said. "At the moment when the
> >> government buildings and presidential administration were seized by
> >> radicals, indeed, when they were seizing power in an unconstitutional way,
> >> with arms in their hands, I was, as you all know, in Ukraine, in Kharkiv,
> >> then in Donetsk, and then in Crimea. Again, at the moment of the coup, I
> >> did not leave the territory of Ukraine."
> >>
> >> RFE/RL LIVE BLOG on the Ukraine crisis
> >> http://www.rferl.org/contentlive/live-blog-crisis-
> >> in-ukraine/25287590.html
> >>
> >> He lamented that Crimea is going to secede from Ukraine, blaming the
> >> actions of the "extremists" in power. But he predicted the country "will
> >> rise up and unify."
> >>
> >> It was Yanukovych's first appearance since February 28, when he also
> >> spoke from Rostov-on-Don and claimed to still be Ukraine's legitimate
> >> leader.
> >>
> >> Meanwhile, pro-Russia lawmakers in Crimea, occupied by Russian forces,
> >> have approved a declaration on the republic's independence.
> >>
> >> http://www.rferl.org/content/crimea-independence-declaration-approval-
> >> parliament-ukraine-russia/25292918.html
> >>
> >> The lawmakers announced that the March 11 adoption of the declaration is
> >> a technical step ahead of a March 16 referendum that will ask voters
> >> whether Crimea should join Russia. Seventy-eight out of 81 lawmakers
> >> present voted in favor.
> >>
> >> Ukraine's parliament meanwhile warned the parliament in Crimea that it
> >> faces dissolution unless it cancels the referendum.
> >>
> >> ALSO READ: Journalists, Activists Reported Missing In Crimea
> >> http://www.rferl.org/content/journalists-activists-
> >> reported-missing-in-crimea/25291690.html
> >>
> >> Western states and the post-Yanukovych government in Kyiv have said they
> >> will not recognize the vote.
> >>
> >> French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius says European Union sanctions
> >> could be imposed on Russia as early as this week.
> >>
> >> Speaking on French radio, Fabius said that if Russia responds positively,
> >> U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry will visit Moscow and sanctions won't be
> >> imposed immediately. But, he warned, if Moscow responds negatively, travel
> >> restrictions and sanctions targeting the assets of individual Russians
> >> could be implemented.
> >>
> >> "The vote is illegal and the annexation of Crimea by Russia would also be
> >> illegal," Fabius said. "So we cannot accept something that is illegal and
> >> which will also have very serious consequences because it means the
> >> destabilization of Ukraine. Ukraine is between the European Union, and
> >> Russia and it is in the interests of Russia and the European Union for
> >> Ukraine to remain stable. But Russia's actions have upset everything."
> >>
> >> Separately, German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, on a visit
> >> to Estonia, has offered assurances that the Baltic states will be protected
> >> from the crisis by their membership in NATO.
> >>
> >> State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said that in a telephone
> >> conversation on March 8 that U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry had laid
> >> out a number of ideas to his Russian counterpart, Sergei Lavrov.
> >>
> >> She said Kerry is prepared to take part in further talks only if Russia
> >> is ready to engage on these proposals.
> >>
> >> Washington reportedly wants Moscow to cease its military advances in
> >> Ukraine, stop its drive to annex Crimea, and end "provocative steps." The
> >> State Department said Kerry has yet to receive any response.
> >>
> >> Earlier, Lavrov said that Kerry had asked to postpone a visit to Moscow
> >> on March 10, after initially accepting the invitation. At a meeting with
> >> Russian President Vladimir Putin in Sochi, Lavrov also said that the
> >> proposals made by Kerry "did not really suit" Russia.
> >>
> >> The Security Council met again behind closed doors on March 10 to discuss
> >> the Ukraine crisis, its fifth meeting on the issue in 10 days.
> >>
> >> Based on reporting by AP, Reuters, ITAR-TASS, dpa, Interfax, and RFE/RL
> >>
> >
>

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