the bad thing about your logic is that we are screwed if the cons do not win and all of canada knows it
hence we are locked out of unless the cons win
my logic is tha we win regardless of who is in power
On 2014-01-06, at 6:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>
>
> and I do -- Ukrainians do better under conservatives in Canada.
>
> They care more for democracy, freedom and the rights of people.
>
> so is this a bad thing?
>
> somehow the first GG that was Ukrainian was under a conservative
> government, two supremem court justices of ukrainian heritages
> occured under a conservative government.
>
> The resolvement of the internment issue was under a conservative
> government.
>
> The trashing of the "deschene" instigated legislation was done
> under the conservatives.
>
> What did I miss?
>
> sorry you are out to lunch -- or worse, you did not do
> your job as a liberal on the grass roots -- I did mine
> as a conservative grass roots member -- I pushed forward policies
> as far back as 2004 thru the riding assoiation, then thru city,
> then provincial & federal level policy conventions -- were you
> doing that in the liberals? I think not. I did my part. sorry
> you did not do your part.
>
> Get off your Liberal ass and do something, I did.
>
> So then you can be critical. At least I tried thru the party
> to change things and I was successful -- where you?
>
>
>
> Michael Kulyk wrote:
>>
>> u just do not get it
>> and on xmas eve to boot
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2014-01-06, at 5:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Okay tell me I am wrong -- I am not.
>>> =20
>>> Ukrainias do better under conservative governments -- well why? figure
>>> 15% of the population in Alberta is Ukrainian -- we are socialiable =
>> people
>>> and we get along with alot of people.
>>> =20
>>> many ukrainians have been politically actice -- in coservative party
>>> grass roots is good -- liberals are a top down party and the NDP
>>> is heavilly controled by unions of which many support marxists
>>> leninst parties. not our fortee.
>>> =20
>>> it is why any sane ukrainian in canada would support a conservative =
>> party.
>>> =20
>>> Our greatest supporter was John Defienbaker -- saw him at many =
>> ukrainian
>>> evernts during the 80's & 90's -- loved the man.
>>> =20
>>> add in the supreme court justices we did well.
>>> =20
>>> so what is your probplem?
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> =20
>>>> Michael Kulyk wrote:
>>>>> =20
>>>>> he created the commision
>>>>> =20
>>>>> why would he do that?
>>>> =20
>>>> and he appointed a supreme court justise if anybody took this law
>>>> to the supreme court would vote against it. Sopinka who
>>>> worked for the comunity against the Deschenne commision was
>>>> apointed shortly after to the Supreme court -- WTF? Yep. was
>>>> this a counter measure to a community who may have donated a bit? --
>>>> possibly :)
>>>> =20
>>>> and the second supreme court justice of Ukrainian heritage is
>>>> appointed by a conservative government (i.e. Justice Nadon) --
>>>> I thought the liberals were so well liberal in who they select.
>>>> His mother was of ukrainian heritage and many liberals and
>>>> quebecers were hostile to this individual.
>>>> =20
>>>> somehow two conservative governments have chose a candidate for
>>>> the supreme court who has Ukrainian heritage in one form or
>>>> anothher -- is this bad? I think not.
>>>> =20
>>>> So are the conservatives bad? think not.
>>>> =20
>>>>> =20
>>>>> =20
>>>>> On 2014-01-06, at 5:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> =20
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> And Mulrooney apointed to the supreme court the major lawyer
>>>>>> against the Dechenne comission -- why would he do that?
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> what am I missing?
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> I wrote:
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> And nothing was in play till the liberals took power. Yep
>>>>>>> somehow that was never spoken. If the liberals gave a
>>>>>>> damn it would have never moved forward.
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> Add insult to injury UCC at the time was a Liberal lackey and
>>>>>>> he had no problems moving forward on this issue.
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> He said "quote unquote" -- they must have done something
>>>>>>> as you know these old guys.
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> :O
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> This was Romaniw. our UCC president of the time.
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> Asshole and a full blown liberal. as most UCC presidents over
>>>>>>> the previopus 40+ years.
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> and as you were saying. please continue.
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> slavko
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> Michael Kulyk wrote:
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> before u get on your horse u may wan to lookup deschenes and =3D
>>>>> mulroney
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> what happens to your logic if the cons get booted out of power?
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> On 2014-01-06, at 4:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> I Hear you michael,
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> and yes, only one of five major parties have acted. Liberals,
>>>>>>>>> NDP, Bloc Quebecois, & Green Party failed. In fact Elizabeth May =
>> =3D
>>>>> made
>>>>>>>>> snarky remarks about Haper's support for a Monument to
>>>>>>>>> recognize the crimes gainst humanity by communists. She
>>>>>>>>> seemed more concerned actions by conservatives -- oh my -- =
>> imagine
>>>>>>>>> she would say I don't care about nazi's or something else -- =
>> sorry
>>>>>>>>> soviets killed more, Chinese communists killed even more,
>>>>>>>>> is that not a crime? Guess not in terms of most political
>>>>>>>>> parties in Canada except the conservatives.
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> so get off your hind legs and make the liberals do something.
>>>>>>>>> If Justin is the new saviour -- well bring him to our side.
>>>>>>>>> He seems to be more interested in communists and their ability
>>>>>>>>> to impose power. :O
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> Lets get real, out of the last 4 decades only one party took our =
>> =3D
>>>>> comunity
>>>>>>>>> properly and it was the conservatives -- so tell me how the =3D
>>>>> liberals &
>>>>>>>>> ndp what they did? yep inconsequential.
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> I know you can't.
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> Just admit it.
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> slavko
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> Michael Kulyk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> i was typing an answer to your reply
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> u just do not get it
>>>>>>>>>> who cares who is in poweer?
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> the only thing that is important is ukraine
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> times are differet than just give those ukes a photo with a =3D
>>>>> minister
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> make EACH party work for our votes !!
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-01-06, at 4:33 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> I thought so -- you have always been quick to comment -- you =
>> know
>>>>>>>>>>> the Liberals have dropped the ball on Ukraine. Just support =
>> the =3D
>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> I know are helping our community. The rest only are giving lip =
>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> service.
>>>>>>>>>>> Lets give support to those that are actualling doing something =
>> -- =3D
>>>>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> Goldring
>>>>>>>>>>> who was expunged from the Conservatives gave more support for =
>> =3D
>>>>> Ukraine
>>>>>>>>>>> than the Liberals. Lets get real. Give it a rest the liberal =
>> =3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> propaganda.
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> slavko
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> I wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay Michael Kulyk,
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets get real here. Cut the partisan BS out an lets look at =3D=
>>
>>>>> facts
>>>>>>>>>>>> and actions with regards to our community. Actions is what =3D
>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>> counts.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] Jean Chretien sent to the UCC congress a fax which is on =
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> Infoukes Site under internment promising he would resolve the
>>>>>>>>>>>> internment issue under a Liberal Majority government. Thus =
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> then UCC leadership told PM Mulroney to F-off and die s they
>>>>>>>>>>>> had this fax. Morons. Mulroney walked away when he was =
>> willing
>>>>>>>>>>>> to negotiate thru the night face to face. That would have =
>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>> a good thing as that is how Mulroney loved to do things face
>>>>>>>>>>>> to face in a marathon session. d'ohhhh. Morons in our =3D
>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] Jean Chretien pushed forward the war crimes trials =
>> against
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ukrainian Canadians.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> [3] Three majority governments later f*** all. If anything =3D
>>>>> ministers
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the crown were down right hostile to Ukrainian community
>>>>>>>>>>>> activists.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> [4] Paul Martin took over after he stabed Jean Chretien in =
>> the =3D
>>>>> back
>>>>>>>>>>>> and forced him out. Well okay -- he then put forward his plan
>>>>>>>>>>>> only after Inky Mark's Bill C-331 was on the verge of =
>> passing.
>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW Inky Mark was first a Reform MP, then a Canadian Alliance
>>>>>>>>>>>> MP and then a Conservative MP -- His bill was a backbencher
>>>>>>>>>>>> legislation that had the support of the Conservatives, the =
>> NDP
>>>>>>>>>>>> and even the Bloc Quebecois -- the Liberals fought it tooth
>>>>>>>>>>>> nail till it appeared an election was coming up and they were
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the wrong side ethically. They did a flip when they saw =
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> legislation would pass with or without their vote. Thus
>>>>>>>>>>>> they jumped on board only then regardless of Wrzesnewskyj.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> [5] Paul Martin then offered the asked amount but 2-5 years
>>>>>>>>>>>> down the line. Hey they spent more in alcohol for embassies
>>>>>>>>>>>> per year than the amount the Ukrainian community was asking.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> [6] It was PM Harper who actually first apologized on the =
>> behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>> of Canada for the Internment action and secondly paid out
>>>>>>>>>>>> the payements asked for by the Ukrainian community. Despite
>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance by our various community negotiators. Names will
>>>>>>>>>>>> remain unnamed. I had feedback from those in the know. Man
>>>>>>>>>>>> a certain individual had them within menutes of walking away
>>>>>>>>>>>> but Harper told then to settle despite the asshole.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> [7] Borys Wrzesnewslyj then sold his soul to Michael =
>> Ignatieff
>>>>>>>>>>>> who's family used extreme actiona against Ukraine in their
>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to conquer Ukrainians and were granted property
>>>>>>>>>>>> in Ukraine. Borys in stead of going to the back benches
>>>>>>>>>>>> as his colleague Justin Trudeau, he decided to sell his soul
>>>>>>>>>>>> to Ignatieff -- it is that action that lost him his riding
>>>>>>>>>>>> by 26 votes of which people in the Ukrainian old folks
>>>>>>>>>>>> abandoned him. If he would have taken the moral road, he
>>>>>>>>>>>> would be there in parliament today. Yes his ambition was
>>>>>>>>>>>> more inportant that the community -- bad judgement. His loss.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> [8] A conservative senator of Ukrainian heritage (Senator
>>>>>>>>>>>> Andreychuk -- Mulroney conservative from Sakatchewan) pushed
>>>>>>>>>>>> thru the Holodomor as a Genocide legislation -- Sorry Borys
>>>>>>>>>>>> did not do that under a Liberal government.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> [9] Justin trudeau as the new Liberal leader has expressed =
>> his
>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion stating that he admires China's communist regime
>>>>>>>>>>>> for their ability to do things -- yes totalitariasm works
>>>>>>>>>>>> very well. sad as his father Pierre Elliot Trudeau acted as
>>>>>>>>>>>> the walter duranty on 1958 and covered up the crimes of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> great leap forward perpetrated by Mao which killed 20+ =
>> million
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chinese. Funny as Walter Duranty did the same thing for =
>> Stalin.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was Trudeau's brother that glorified Pierre's trip to
>>>>>>>>>>>> China and defended his actions. Moron.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> [10] PM Harper killed the war crimes agenda/actions wrt =3D
>>>>> Ukrainian
>>>>>>>>>>>> Canadians.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> [11] PM Harper went to Ukraine and actually visited the =3D
>>>>> Holodomor
>>>>>>>>>>>> monument and also visited the Ukrainian Cathoic University
>>>>>>>>>>>> in Lvi when they where threatened by the SBU
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> [12] Our new "Liberal Star Candidate" who's mother was a =3D
>>>>> communist
>>>>>>>>>>>> in Alberta, won a a by-election in an extreme left-wing =
>> riding
>>>>>>>>>>>> in Toronto as a Liberal on November 25th has been extremely
>>>>>>>>>>>> quiet on the events in Ukraine. Now whether she is being
>>>>>>>>>>>> told by the Liberals to shut up or she never had that =3D
>>>>> Ukrainian
>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling to begin with. Time will decide that. I suspect
>>>>>>>>>>>> that she was over-hyped by Ukrainians in the community for =3D=
>>
>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>>> she never promised.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> [13] John Baird as Minister of Foreign Affairs of Canada =3D
>>>>> actually
>>>>>>>>>>>> went to Independence Square to talk to the protesters -- =
>> have =3D
>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> seen any other MP go there and express their direct support. =
>> =3D
>>>>> Oh
>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, the other party's don't give a f***. If they did, they =
>> =3D
>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>> have sent an MP over their break to do so. Considering their
>>>>>>>>>>>> rich travel budget would have figured at least one MP would
>>>>>>>>>>>> have gone. -- hmmm -- nobody.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> So tell me, am I wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberals have done f*** all for our community and they were =
>> in =3D3D=3D
>>>>> =20
>>>>>>>>>> aposition
>>>>>>>>>>>> to do so.
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> So give it a rest. Actions speak louder than words. Tell me =
>> one =3D
>>>>> good
>>>>>>>>>>>> thing the Federal Liberals did for our community?
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> slavko
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Kulyk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chinese always get away with murder
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> grod has not paid ANY price for his support of the museum
>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCC support of the cons makes me sick
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ukrainians in canada should be across party lines- the =
>> issue =3D
>>>>> is =3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> ukraine =3D3D3D
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - NOT the political process in canada
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not only the con camp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-01-06, at 11:29 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WOW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have thought since day one our communities involvement in =
>> =3D
>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> white elephant as a bad idea. UCC made a big mistake =3D
>>>>> supporting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this. Money better spent in community development. Grod has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accounting to do for this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always knew they would denegrate/minimize the holodomor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering the #1 holocaust was Mao against the Chinese =3D
>>>>> people in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1958-1960o in the great leap forward, second place was =
>> Ukraine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Holodomor 1932-33. Now comes the debate about =
>> Ethiopia =3D
>>>>> in =3D3D
>>>>>>>>>> 3rd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place in the 80's where it was thought 8-10 million died by =
>> =3D
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marxist soviet backed regime. Fourth place was NAZI Germany =
>> =3D
>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their crimes of the Holocaust.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why in the top 4, 3 of the 4 regimes where communist =
>> regines =3D
>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roots of support in Moscow? Anybody ever ask this? Why is =
>> this =3D
>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brought to the forefront?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orysia Tracz wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blackrod.blogspot.ca/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O
>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William =3D
>>>>> Kokodyniak
>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster =
>> InfoUkes =3D
>>>>> Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =3D
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =3D
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>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> --=3D3D20
>>>>>>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William =3D
>>>>> Kokodyniak
>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes =
>> =3D
>>>>> Inc.
>>>>>>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =3D
>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =3D
>>>>> http://www.infoukes.com/
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>>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>>> --=3D20
>>>>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William =
>> Kokodyniak
>>>>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes =
>> Inc.
>>>>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =
>> [email protected]
>>>>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =
>> http://www.infoukes.com/
>>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>>> --=3D20
>>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William =
>> Kokodyniak
>>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes =
>> Inc.
>>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =
>> [email protected]
>>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =
>> http://www.infoukes.com/
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>>>>>> =3D20
>>>>>> --=3D20
>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William Kokodyniak
>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes Inc.
>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario [email protected]
>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 http://www.infoukes.com/
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>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William Kokodyniak
>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes Inc.
>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario [email protected]
>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 http://www.infoukes.com/
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>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes Inc.
>>> Etobicoke, Ontario [email protected]
>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 http://www.infoukes.com/
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