and I do -- Ukrainians do better under conservatives in Canada.
They care more for democracy, freedom and the rights of people.
so is this a bad thing?
somehow the first GG that was Ukrainian was under a conservative
government, two supremem court justices of ukrainian heritages
occured under a conservative government.
The resolvement of the internment issue was under a conservative
government.
The trashing of the "deschene" instigated legislation was done
under the conservatives.
What did I miss?
sorry you are out to lunch -- or worse, you did not do
your job as a liberal on the grass roots -- I did mine
as a conservative grass roots member -- I pushed forward policies
as far back as 2004 thru the riding assoiation, then thru city,
then provincial & federal level policy conventions -- were you
doing that in the liberals? I think not. I did my part. sorry
you did not do your part.
Get off your Liberal ass and do something, I did.
So then you can be critical. At least I tried thru the party
to change things and I was successful -- where you?
Michael Kulyk wrote:
>
> u just do not get it
> and on xmas eve to boot
>
>
>
> On 2014-01-06, at 5:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > Okay tell me I am wrong -- I am not.
> >=20
> > Ukrainias do better under conservative governments -- well why? figure
> > 15% of the population in Alberta is Ukrainian -- we are socialiable =
> people
> > and we get along with alot of people.
> >=20
> > many ukrainians have been politically actice -- in coservative party
> > grass roots is good -- liberals are a top down party and the NDP
> > is heavilly controled by unions of which many support marxists
> > leninst parties. not our fortee.
> >=20
> > it is why any sane ukrainian in canada would support a conservative =
> party.
> >=20
> > Our greatest supporter was John Defienbaker -- saw him at many =
> ukrainian
> > evernts during the 80's & 90's -- loved the man.
> >=20
> > add in the supreme court justices we did well.
> >=20
> > so what is your probplem?
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > [email protected] wrote:
> >>=20
> >> Michael Kulyk wrote:
> >>>=20
> >>> he created the commision
> >>>=20
> >>> why would he do that?
> >>=20
> >> and he appointed a supreme court justise if anybody took this law
> >> to the supreme court would vote against it. Sopinka who
> >> worked for the comunity against the Deschenne commision was
> >> apointed shortly after to the Supreme court -- WTF? Yep. was
> >> this a counter measure to a community who may have donated a bit? --
> >> possibly :)
> >>=20
> >> and the second supreme court justice of Ukrainian heritage is
> >> appointed by a conservative government (i.e. Justice Nadon) --
> >> I thought the liberals were so well liberal in who they select.
> >> His mother was of ukrainian heritage and many liberals and
> >> quebecers were hostile to this individual.
> >>=20
> >> somehow two conservative governments have chose a candidate for
> >> the supreme court who has Ukrainian heritage in one form or
> >> anothher -- is this bad? I think not.
> >>=20
> >> So are the conservatives bad? think not.
> >>=20
> >>>=20
> >>>=20
> >>> On 2014-01-06, at 5:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>=20
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>> And Mulrooney apointed to the supreme court the major lawyer
> >>>> against the Dechenne comission -- why would he do that?
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>> what am I missing?
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>> I wrote:
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> And nothing was in play till the liberals took power. Yep
> >>>>> somehow that was never spoken. If the liberals gave a
> >>>>> damn it would have never moved forward.
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> Add insult to injury UCC at the time was a Liberal lackey and
> >>>>> he had no problems moving forward on this issue.
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> He said "quote unquote" -- they must have done something
> >>>>> as you know these old guys.
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> :O
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> This was Romaniw. our UCC president of the time.
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> Asshole and a full blown liberal. as most UCC presidents over
> >>>>> the previopus 40+ years.
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> and as you were saying. please continue.
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> slavko
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> Michael Kulyk wrote:
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> before u get on your horse u may wan to lookup deschenes and =3D
> >>> mulroney
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> what happens to your logic if the cons get booted out of power?
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> On 2014-01-06, at 4:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> I Hear you michael,
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> and yes, only one of five major parties have acted. Liberals,
> >>>>>>> NDP, Bloc Quebecois, & Green Party failed. In fact Elizabeth May =
> =3D
> >>> made
> >>>>>>> snarky remarks about Haper's support for a Monument to
> >>>>>>> recognize the crimes gainst humanity by communists. She
> >>>>>>> seemed more concerned actions by conservatives -- oh my -- =
> imagine
> >>>>>>> she would say I don't care about nazi's or something else -- =
> sorry
> >>>>>>> soviets killed more, Chinese communists killed even more,
> >>>>>>> is that not a crime? Guess not in terms of most political
> >>>>>>> parties in Canada except the conservatives.
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> so get off your hind legs and make the liberals do something.
> >>>>>>> If Justin is the new saviour -- well bring him to our side.
> >>>>>>> He seems to be more interested in communists and their ability
> >>>>>>> to impose power. :O
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> Lets get real, out of the last 4 decades only one party took our =
> =3D
> >>> comunity
> >>>>>>> properly and it was the conservatives -- so tell me how the =3D
> >>> liberals &
> >>>>>>> ndp what they did? yep inconsequential.
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> I know you can't.
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> Just admit it.
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> slavko
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> Michael Kulyk wrote:
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> i was typing an answer to your reply
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> u just do not get it
> >>>>>>>> who cares who is in poweer?
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> the only thing that is important is ukraine
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> times are differet than just give those ukes a photo with a =3D
> >>> minister
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> make EACH party work for our votes !!
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> On 2014-01-06, at 4:33 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>> I thought so -- you have always been quick to comment -- you =
> know
> >>>>>>>>> the Liberals have dropped the ball on Ukraine. Just support =
> the =3D
> >>> people
> >>>>>>>>> I know are helping our community. The rest only are giving lip =
> =3D3D
> >>>>>>>> service.
> >>>>>>>>> Lets give support to those that are actualling doing something =
> -- =3D
> >>> =3D3D
> >>>>>>>> Goldring
> >>>>>>>>> who was expunged from the Conservatives gave more support for =
> =3D
> >>> Ukraine
> >>>>>>>>> than the Liberals. Lets get real. Give it a rest the liberal =
> =3D3D
> >>>>>>>> propaganda.
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>> slavko
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>> I wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> Okay Michael Kulyk,
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> Lets get real here. Cut the partisan BS out an lets look at =3D=
>
> >>> facts
> >>>>>>>>>> and actions with regards to our community. Actions is what =3D
> >>> really
> >>>>>>>>>> counts.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> [1] Jean Chretien sent to the UCC congress a fax which is on =
> the
> >>>>>>>>>> Infoukes Site under internment promising he would resolve the
> >>>>>>>>>> internment issue under a Liberal Majority government. Thus =
> the
> >>>>>>>>>> then UCC leadership told PM Mulroney to F-off and die s they
> >>>>>>>>>> had this fax. Morons. Mulroney walked away when he was =
> willing
> >>>>>>>>>> to negotiate thru the night face to face. That would have =
> been
> >>>>>>>>>> a good thing as that is how Mulroney loved to do things face
> >>>>>>>>>> to face in a marathon session. d'ohhhh. Morons in our =3D
> >>> community.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> [2] Jean Chretien pushed forward the war crimes trials =
> against
> >>>>>>>>>> Ukrainian Canadians.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> [3] Three majority governments later f*** all. If anything =3D
> >>> ministers
> >>>>>>>>>> of the crown were down right hostile to Ukrainian community
> >>>>>>>>>> activists.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> [4] Paul Martin took over after he stabed Jean Chretien in =
> the =3D
> >>> back
> >>>>>>>>>> and forced him out. Well okay -- he then put forward his plan
> >>>>>>>>>> only after Inky Mark's Bill C-331 was on the verge of =
> passing.
> >>>>>>>>>> BTW Inky Mark was first a Reform MP, then a Canadian Alliance
> >>>>>>>>>> MP and then a Conservative MP -- His bill was a backbencher
> >>>>>>>>>> legislation that had the support of the Conservatives, the =
> NDP
> >>>>>>>>>> and even the Bloc Quebecois -- the Liberals fought it tooth
> >>>>>>>>>> nail till it appeared an election was coming up and they were
> >>>>>>>>>> on the wrong side ethically. They did a flip when they saw =
> the
> >>>>>>>>>> legislation would pass with or without their vote. Thus
> >>>>>>>>>> they jumped on board only then regardless of Wrzesnewskyj.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> [5] Paul Martin then offered the asked amount but 2-5 years
> >>>>>>>>>> down the line. Hey they spent more in alcohol for embassies
> >>>>>>>>>> per year than the amount the Ukrainian community was asking.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> [6] It was PM Harper who actually first apologized on the =
> behalf
> >>>>>>>>>> of Canada for the Internment action and secondly paid out
> >>>>>>>>>> the payements asked for by the Ukrainian community. Despite
> >>>>>>>>>> ignorance by our various community negotiators. Names will
> >>>>>>>>>> remain unnamed. I had feedback from those in the know. Man
> >>>>>>>>>> a certain individual had them within menutes of walking away
> >>>>>>>>>> but Harper told then to settle despite the asshole.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> [7] Borys Wrzesnewslyj then sold his soul to Michael =
> Ignatieff
> >>>>>>>>>> who's family used extreme actiona against Ukraine in their
> >>>>>>>>>> attempt to conquer Ukrainians and were granted property
> >>>>>>>>>> in Ukraine. Borys in stead of going to the back benches
> >>>>>>>>>> as his colleague Justin Trudeau, he decided to sell his soul
> >>>>>>>>>> to Ignatieff -- it is that action that lost him his riding
> >>>>>>>>>> by 26 votes of which people in the Ukrainian old folks
> >>>>>>>>>> abandoned him. If he would have taken the moral road, he
> >>>>>>>>>> would be there in parliament today. Yes his ambition was
> >>>>>>>>>> more inportant that the community -- bad judgement. His loss.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> [8] A conservative senator of Ukrainian heritage (Senator
> >>>>>>>>>> Andreychuk -- Mulroney conservative from Sakatchewan) pushed
> >>>>>>>>>> thru the Holodomor as a Genocide legislation -- Sorry Borys
> >>>>>>>>>> did not do that under a Liberal government.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> [9] Justin trudeau as the new Liberal leader has expressed =
> his
> >>>>>>>>>> opinion stating that he admires China's communist regime
> >>>>>>>>>> for their ability to do things -- yes totalitariasm works
> >>>>>>>>>> very well. sad as his father Pierre Elliot Trudeau acted as
> >>>>>>>>>> the walter duranty on 1958 and covered up the crimes of the
> >>>>>>>>>> great leap forward perpetrated by Mao which killed 20+ =
> million
> >>>>>>>>>> Chinese. Funny as Walter Duranty did the same thing for =
> Stalin.
> >>>>>>>>>> It was Trudeau's brother that glorified Pierre's trip to
> >>>>>>>>>> China and defended his actions. Moron.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> [10] PM Harper killed the war crimes agenda/actions wrt =3D
> >>> Ukrainian
> >>>>>>>>>> Canadians.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> [11] PM Harper went to Ukraine and actually visited the =3D
> >>> Holodomor
> >>>>>>>>>> monument and also visited the Ukrainian Cathoic University
> >>>>>>>>>> in Lvi when they where threatened by the SBU
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> [12] Our new "Liberal Star Candidate" who's mother was a =3D
> >>> communist
> >>>>>>>>>> in Alberta, won a a by-election in an extreme left-wing =
> riding
> >>>>>>>>>> in Toronto as a Liberal on November 25th has been extremely
> >>>>>>>>>> quiet on the events in Ukraine. Now whether she is being
> >>>>>>>>>> told by the Liberals to shut up or she never had that =3D
> >>> Ukrainian
> >>>>>>>>>> feeling to begin with. Time will decide that. I suspect
> >>>>>>>>>> that she was over-hyped by Ukrainians in the community for =3D=
>
> >>> things
> >>>>>>>>>> she never promised.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> [13] John Baird as Minister of Foreign Affairs of Canada =3D
> >>> actually
> >>>>>>>>>> went to Independence Square to talk to the protesters -- =
> have =3D
> >>> not
> >>>>>>>>>> seen any other MP go there and express their direct support. =
> =3D
> >>> Oh
> >>>>>>>>>> yes, the other party's don't give a f***. If they did, they =
> =3D
> >>> would
> >>>>>>>>>> have sent an MP over their break to do so. Considering their
> >>>>>>>>>> rich travel budget would have figured at least one MP would
> >>>>>>>>>> have gone. -- hmmm -- nobody.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> So tell me, am I wrong?
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> Liberals have done f*** all for our community and they were =
> in =3D3D=3D
> >>>=20
> >>>>>>>> aposition
> >>>>>>>>>> to do so.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> So give it a rest. Actions speak louder than words. Tell me =
> one =3D
> >>> good
> >>>>>>>>>> thing the Federal Liberals did for our community?
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> slavko
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Kulyk wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>> chinese always get away with murder
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>> grod has not paid ANY price for his support of the museum
> >>>>>>>>>>> UCC support of the cons makes me sick
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>> ukrainians in canada should be across party lines- the =
> issue =3D
> >>> is =3D3D
> >>>>>>>> ukraine =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>> - NOT the political process in canada
> >>>>>>>>>>> not only the con camp
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-01-06, at 11:29 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> WOW
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I have thought since day one our communities involvement in =
> =3D
> >>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>> white elephant as a bad idea. UCC made a big mistake =3D
> >>> supporting
> >>>>>>>>>>>> this. Money better spent in community development. Grod has
> >>>>>>>>>>>> accounting to do for this.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I always knew they would denegrate/minimize the holodomor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Considering the #1 holocaust was Mao against the Chinese =3D
> >>> people in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1958-1960o in the great leap forward, second place was =
> Ukraine
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in the Holodomor 1932-33. Now comes the debate about =
> Ethiopia =3D
> >>> in =3D3D
> >>>>>>>> 3rd
> >>>>>>>>>>>> place in the 80's where it was thought 8-10 million died by =
> =3D
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> marxist soviet backed regime. Fourth place was NAZI Germany =
> =3D
> >>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> their crimes of the Holocaust.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why in the top 4, 3 of the 4 regimes where communist =
> regines =3D
> >>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>> roots of support in Moscow? Anybody ever ask this? Why is =
> this =3D
> >>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> brought to the forefront?
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Orysia Tracz wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blackrod.blogspot.ca/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> O
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William =3D
> >>> Kokodyniak
> >>>>>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster =
> InfoUkes =3D
> >>> Inc.
> >>>>>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =3D
> >>> [email protected]
> >>>>>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =3D
> >>> http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>> --=3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William =3D
> >>> Kokodyniak
> >>>>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes =
> =3D
> >>> Inc.
> >>>>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =3D
> >>> [email protected]
> >>>>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =3D
> >>> http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> --=3D20
> >>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William =
> Kokodyniak
> >>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes =
> Inc.
> >>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =
> [email protected]
> >>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =
> http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> --=3D20
> >>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William =
> Kokodyniak
> >>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes =
> Inc.
> >>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =
> [email protected]
> >>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =
> http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>> --=3D20
> >>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William Kokodyniak
> >>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes Inc.
> >>>> Etobicoke, Ontario [email protected]
> >>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>> =3D20
> >>>=20
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >> --=20
> >> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William Kokodyniak
> >> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes Inc.
> >> Etobicoke, Ontario [email protected]
> >> Canada M8X 2Y8 http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > --=20
> > InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William Kokodyniak
> > Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes Inc.
> > Etobicoke, Ontario [email protected]
> > Canada M8X 2Y8 http://www.infoukes.com/
> >=20
>
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