Francine, you have very valid points. I agree -- Maidan has
an amazing capability to adapt.
I am surprised they have locked out Klitschko but that may
benefit him in the election as the outside man. He therefore
cannot be blamed for poor choices and decisions. I notice
that Poroshenko is also on the outside.
Yulia should only be involved as an elder statesman and
not the backroom manipulator -- if she is perceived as
that, she will fail miserably in the May elections. Appearances
are just as important as actual actions in an election.
There is a great difference between wishing/commanding it so and
having a hostile bureaucracy carrying out the commands.
When I was in Ottawa 2007/2008 I heard from people working
on an ADM (Assistant Deputy Minister) & DM (Deputy Minister)
offices that had an attitude of they don't need to carry out
the policies of the elected Government because they will be
soon gone. You would be shocked how many times I heard that
from different people in totally different ministries. Well
that government is still here. And this is in Canada where a
large portion of the upper echelons of the bureaucracy are of
Liberal Party leanings. To top it off Canada's bureaucracy is
not as bad as Ukraine's.
The bureaucracy has it's own speed to do things and often will
work against the legislative branch if they think the the
legislative branch are wrong. Remember the bureaucracy in Ukraine
is compromised. The upper echelons are of a Soviet mindset
and are not as flexible as the young people of the Maidan.
There are tons of stories about how the bureaucracy fought
anti-corruption measures during the Yuschenko administration
and undermined every initiative bogging things down in red tape
and ran the people charged with chain down many dead ends
thus delaying changes. Bureaucracies have an inherent ability
to defend itself from change as in a bureaucrat's mindset,
a Static world is ideal -- they do not handle change very well.
In an ideal world, commands would be given and the bureaucracy
would implement immediately. Ukraine is in an alternate universe
when it comes to that. :)
Francine Ponomarenkow wrote:
>
> Everything you are all say is 100 percent true. More than true, if that is
> possible.
>
> But what maidan showed was the extraordinary capacity for Ukrainians to
> adapt fast to situations, in order to defend themselves.
>
> Undermining is going on constantly, in Ukraine.
>
> Yet, Ukrainians were resilient on maidan.
>
> But surely, some basic things could have been done, like prof. Kravchenko
> on our list here suggests.
>
> On the Facebook pages, and in articles, I read that Turchynov and Yatseniuk
> Ok and run by Yulka everything they do. Batkivshchyna is the dominant force
> in the government. Doesn't his mean that they are the ones making the
> decisions. Everytime klitschko makes some suggestion it gets forgotten. He
> wanted borders closed. No one did this. He wanted to severe relations with
> Russia until their military gets out, this idea is not taking.
>
> Well, with a Black Hole like Putin, you have to adapt faster than the speed
> of light.
>
> On Saturday, 22 March 2014, <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > I agree.
> >
> > The American government takes 3 months to transition from one
> > administration to another. This is with a rock solid bureaucracy,
> > a rock solid military, a stable political system, and a reasonably
> > stable economy.
> >
> > Ukraine has had a bureaucracy, security services, police forces,
> > judicial system all compromised by a corrupt government, and a
> > destabilizing neighbouring government. There are still a small but
> > determined 5th column that still believes in the ideals of the CCCP
> > who will undermine an independent Ukraine.
> >
> > There was no transition time, it was -- oh the naked emperror
> > fled to the comfort of the closet of his master. Clear line of
> > succession was hampered because the PM & speaker also fled with
> > their loot. To do things leagally, the parliament appointed
> > a new Speaker, thus constitution, impeachment of the former
> > administration, and stabilizing the elected branch of government
> > was done first in the most legal manner possible, then appointment
> > of a caretaker President & PM was required. Transition time was
> > zero.
> >
> > The Ukrainian military was demoralized and stripped of it's
> > ability to fight -- fighters that can't fly due to lack of fuel
> > and spare parts. A ground force that has older equipment that
> > has not been properly maintained. A Navy that was inherited
> > from the Soviet Union and that shared a naval base with the Russians
> > and once had been fellow soldiers -- too much comfiness between
> > the two forces. A General Staff that was appointed by the former
> > regime that had been trained under Soviet times.
> >
> > We have a government that is bankrupt, where most of the treasury
> > was stolen and moved offshore.
> >
> > We still have elements of the old government still working to regain
> > power to top things off.
> >
> > To add complete insult to injury, the destabilizing neighbour decides
> > to invade and seize a piece of prime real estate and to insult
> > further they want to seize large portions of the mainland that
> > contain many strategic military industries Russia needs to rebuild
> > it's military and seems to lack the ability to build from scratch.
> >
> > Yes it is very easy to be an armchair quarterback.
> >
> > Under peace time and a stable economy this transition was difficult
> > enough -- they were thrown into the deep end of the pool with a
> > concrete block tied to their chest and told sink or swim.
> >
> > In some ways, the real leaders will emerge and in some ways
> > Yatseniuk has shown some potential. He has done well on the
> > international stage and that is extremely important now.
> >
> > Whether it is enough, only history will tell.
> >
> > It is the Ukrainian way to criticize the hell out of the leaders
> > if they are doing good or bad.
> >
> > At times I sense there are some really smart people behind the scenes.
> > I hope they are getting thru. And Hopefully a few geniuses there
> > too because Ukraine needs them. LoL
> >
> > [email protected] <javascript:;> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well the danger is real enough. Here's something from a guy coopted
> > > into Yulka's defense squad. It seems
> > > fine:
> > http://www.unian.ua/politics/899544-rosiya-nakopichue-nastupalne-ozbroennya-na-kordoni-z-ukrajinoyu-admiral-kabanenko.html
> > >
> > > But there is no need to panic just yet.
> > > And don't forget what an awful mess was left behind by Yanuk in all
> > > areas of Ukraine's institutional life.
> > > You have to be a genius to "fix" everything in just a week or two,
> > > Esp. when this messed up structure winds up under instant attack from
> > > a maddened and frustrated dictator.
> > > It's bloody easy to make mistakes, and the wheels of bureaucracy are
> > > not exactly the smoothest.
> > > In such a situation it's the irresponsible critics who have the
> > > easiest time. Their solutions are obvious and right (to them). I'm not
> > > talking about anyone on the forum Lord knows, just about people in
> > > Ukraine. in the thick of things.
> > >
> > > I would wait to see what explanations will be offered at tomorrow's
> > > Viche by the politicos, and I want to hear from Parubij.
> > >
> > > "It's not always easy to know what to do". Especially when you're
> > > between a rock and a hard place, or up the creek without a paddle etc
> > > etc..
> > >
> > > At least some institutions seem to be functioning a little better than
> > > two weeks ago: the SBU and even the MVS.
> > >
> > > And let's see what help we get from the UN General Assembly next
> > Thursday.
> > >
> >
>
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