The best you can argue, really, is that China is holding its options
open. But at the concrete meeting tonight on a concrete issue at the
UN Security Council, China did not support Russia. And Russia needs
China more than the reverse. That's pretty clear.
Quoting Stefan Lemieszewski <[email protected]>:
>
> China says: ?We respect the independence, sovereignty and
> territorial integrity of Ukraine.?
>
> Russia not only says: ?We respect the independence, sovereignty and
> territorial integrity of Ukraine.?
> But also GUARANTEES Ukraine?s borders. ()
>
> Stefan Lemieszewski
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> From: Anubis
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 5:21 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [politics] China Sides With Russia Against Ukraine -
> Sky News -3Mar2014
>
> http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304815004579416771704060190?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702304815004579416771704060190.html
>
> "Russia's foreign ministry says China agrees with the Kremlin about
> Moscow's military action in Ukraine. But China's foreign ministry
> differs with that assessment....."It is China's longstanding
> position not to interfere in others' internal affairs. We respect
> the independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine,"
> he said, according to a statement posted on the Chinese ministry's
> website on Sunday...."
>
>
>
> On 3/3/2014 6:33 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>
> What about this?
>
>
> http://www.unian.ua/politics/892518-kitay-pidtrimue-printsip-nevtruchannya-u-vnutrishni-spravi-posol-v-oon.html
>
> Doesn't quite support Lavrov's claim.
>
>
>
> Quoting Stefan Lemieszewski mailto:[email protected]:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://news.sky.com/story/1219922/russia-and-china-in-agreement-over-ukraine
> Sky News
> 3Mar2014
> Russia And China 'In Agreement' Over Ukraine
> Russia is in "operational control" of Crimea as soldiers
> surround Ukrainian troops and seize a ferry port.
>
> [ pics and charts ]
> Russia has said China is largely "in agreement" over Ukraine,
> after other world powers condemned Moscow for sending troops into
> the country.
>
> Hundreds of Russian soldiers have surrounded a military base in
> Crimea, preventing Ukrainian soldiers from going in or out.
>
> The convoy blockading the site, near the Crimean capital
> Simferopol, includes at least 17 military vehicles.
>
> Russian troops are also reported to have taken control of a
> ferry terminal in the city of Kerch on the eastern tip of Crimea,
> which has a majority Russian-speaking population.
>
> Ukraine's defence ministry said two Russian fighter jets
> violated the country's air space in the Black Sea on Sunday night
> and that it had scrambled an interceptor aircraft to prevent the
> "provocative actions".
>
> And reports claimed pro-Russian protesters had occupied a floor
> of the regional government building in Donetsk. The 11-storey
> building has been flying the Russian flag for the last three days.
>
> Ukrainian prime minister Arseny Yatseniuk has insisted his
> country "will never give up Crimea to anyone" and urged Russian
> forces to withdraw.
>
> Mr Yatseniuk said: "I was and am a supporter of a diplomatic
> solution to the crisis, as a conflict would destroy the foundations
> for stability in the whole region."
>
> In an interview with Sky News, Foreign Secretary William Hague
> said the crisis is likely to take some time to resolve.
>
> He said: "I think we probably are looking at a long period of
> very active diplomacy and looking for solutions to this since there
> is no sign of a change in the Russian position on this.
>
> "It's impossible to be optimistic at the moment. We're not in
> any position to be optimistic about the security situation and what
> is happening in the Crimea."
>
> The crisis has had a huge knock-on effect on global stock
> markets, with Moscow's stock exchange plunging as much as 10% on
> Monday morning.
>
> Russia's central bank raised its rate to 7% from 5.5% as the
> ruble hit an historic low against the dollar and the euro.
>
> Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov discussed Ukraine by
> telephone with his Chinese counterpart, Wang Yi, on Monday, and
> claimed they had "broadly coinciding points of view" on the
> situation there, according to a ministry statement.
>
>
>
> [ comparison of military strength ]
>
>
>
> Speaking at the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva later, Mr
> Lavrov said Russian troops were necessary in Ukraine "until the
> normalisation of the political situation" and dismissed threats of
> sanctions and boycotts.
>
> He added: "We call for a responsible approach, to put aside
> geopolitical calculations, and above all to put the interests of the
> Ukrainian people first."
>
> Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Qin Gang said: "China has
> always upheld the principles of diplomacy and the fundamental norms
> of international relations.
>
> "At the same time we also take into consideration the history
> and the current complexities of the Ukrainian issue."
>
> As the tense stand-off continues, the other seven nations of the
> G8 urged Moscow to hold talks with Kiev.
>
> "We, the leaders of Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the
> United Kingdom and the United States and the President of the
> European Council and President of the European Commission, join
> together today to condemn the Russian Federation's clear violation
> of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine," they said
> in a statement.
>
> "We have decided for the time being to suspend our participation
> in activities associated with the preparation of the scheduled G8
> Summit in Sochi in June."
>
> British Foreign Secretary William Hague, who is in Kiev for
> talks on the crisis, said Russia has taken operational control of
> Crimea.
>
> He described Russia's intervention in Ukraine as the biggest
> crisis in Europe in the 21st century.
>
> At a news conference with Mr Yatseniuk, Mr Hague said: "If this
> situation cannot resolve itself, if Russia cannot be persuaded to
> respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine, there
> will have to be other consequences and other costs."
>
> Mr Hague added: "The UK is not discussion military action, our
> concentration is on diplomatic and economic pressure."
>
> Prime Minister David Cameron will later chair a meeting of the
> National Security Council on the "British and international response
> to the grave situation in Ukraine", where he will press for a
> European summit on the crisis.
>
> European foreign ministers are holding an emergency meeting on
> Ukraine in Brussels to table a joint response to the military
> incursion.
>
> Mr Yatseniuk heads a pro-Western government that took power in
> the former Soviet republic when its Moscow-backed president, Viktor
> Yanukovych, was ousted last week.
>
> US Secretary of State John Kerry will visit Kiev on Tuesday to
> show "strong support for Ukrainian sovereignty".
>
> Meanwhile, Ukraine launched a treason case against its new navy
> chief after he switched allegiance to the pro-Russian Crimea region.
>
> Rear Admiral Denis Berezovsky was appointed head of Ukraine's
> navy on Saturday.
>
> But a day later he appeared before cameras, alongside the
> pro-Russian prime minister of Crimea's regional parliament, saying
> he had ordered Ukrainian naval forces there to disregard orders from
> "self-proclaimed" authorities in Kiev.
>
> Russian President Vladimir Putin on Saturday won parliament's
> authorisation to use force in Ukraine.
>
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