Hi Nichael,
It sounds like you did what you could and agree it was a right path to follow.
I took a different path thru the grass roots -- the policy path and it succeeded. Figured it was the only path that would work qand I was right.
The feeling I got from Olya Grod -- the Liberals were not open to policy chancege and I know the NDP was very fixed by union policies.
I figured it was only time before the liberals would get tossed so worked the policy angle via the conservatives as they were potentially the party to take over. -- it made sense.
I was right. on both issues -- the internment issue & the war crimes issue.
Conservatives are libertarians by nature so policy changes was more possible thru them than liberals & ndp.
Just have to know your target. I took a chance and won.
we as a community all benefited. accept that as is.
Michael Kulyk wrote:
>
> every week i sent mailings to our mp
> all of them
> in a prep for our student lobby effort
>
> we also paid for the lawyer who defended the kudla family against the =
> windor star
>
> also hlped pay for the booklet written by nicholas tolstoy
>
> and had sopinka as our lawyer before the comm
>
>
>
> On 2014-01-06, at 7:15 PM, Michael Kulyk <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > this all started in 1984 / 85
> >=20
> >=20
> > On 2014-01-06, at 7:07 PM, Michael Kulyk <[email protected]> =
> wrote:
> >=20
> >> can we agree the CLC u may now know it as UCCLA
> >> was NOT run by the NDP?
> >>=20
> >> kushpeta? he was chairman for a while
> >> what was his political leaning?
> >>=20
> >> i also wrote a db=20
> >> and helped collect $1 million dollars
> >>=20
> >> this db, cause there was not one we could buy, was to print books of =
> donors in a new way for the UCC convention
> >> something new for them
> >>=20
> >>=20
> >> On 2014-01-06, at 6:58 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>=20
> >>>=20
> >>>=20
> >>>=20
> >>> michael Kulyk wrote:
> >>>>=20
> >>>> the guy who wrote my chq was an NDPer?
> >>>>=20
> >>>> we hired a lawyer that was an NDPer?
> >>>>=20
> >>>> i was an NDPer?
> >>>>=20
> >>>>=20
> >>>> it appears u care more about the party than u do ukraine
> >>>=20
> >>> It seems I have done more for the Ukrainian community in Canada than =
> you have.
> >>> I have done alot for Internment issues and Klufas's brother did alot =
> for the
> >>> deschene related issues.
> >>>=20
> >>> get off your high horse and do something in yopur party.
> >>>=20
> >>> presently I see Conservatives actually acknowledging the Euromaidan =
> -- somehow
> >>> the liberals & ndp have been comatose. I want them to speak up -- if =
> you know
> >>> how I would welcome it. Plesae do it.
> >>>=20
> >>> slavko
> >>>=20
> >>>> On 2014-01-06, at 6:41 PM, Michael Kulyk <[email protected]> =
> wrote:
> >>>>=20
> >>>>> luciuk is a member of the NDP?
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> On 2014-01-06, at 6:39 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> and you had no influence at that org that controlled the NDP?
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> that says it all.
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> Michael Kulyko wrote:=3D20
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> i worked 2 yrs at the CLC
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> On 2014-01-06, at 6:18 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> and I do -- Ukrainians do better under conservatives in Canada.
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> They care more for democracy, freedom and the rights of people.
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> so is this a bad thing?
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> somehow the first GG that was Ukrainian was under a =
> conservative
> >>>>>>>> government, two supremem court justices of ukrainian heritages
> >>>>>>>> occured under a conservative government.
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> The resolvement of the internment issue was under a =
> conservative
> >>>>>>>> government.
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> The trashing of the "deschene" instigated legislation was done
> >>>>>>>> under the conservatives.
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> What did I miss?
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> sorry you are out to lunch -- or worse, you did not do
> >>>>>>>> your job as a liberal on the grass roots -- I did mine
> >>>>>>>> as a conservative grass roots member -- I pushed forward =
> policies
> >>>>>>>> as far back as 2004 thru the riding assoiation, then thru city,
> >>>>>>>> then provincial & federal level policy conventions -- were you
> >>>>>>>> doing that in the liberals? I think not. I did my part. sorry
> >>>>>>>> you did not do your part.
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> Get off your Liberal ass and do something, I did.
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> So then you can be critical. At least I tried thru the party
> >>>>>>>> to change things and I was successful -- where you?
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> Michael Kulyk wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>>> u just do not get it
> >>>>>>>>> and on xmas eve to boot
> >>>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>>> On 2014-01-06, at 5:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> Okay tell me I am wrong -- I am not.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> Ukrainias do better under conservative governments -- well =
> why? =3D
> >>>> figure
> >>>>>>>>>> 15% of the population in Alberta is Ukrainian -- we are =3D
> >>>> socialiable =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> people
> >>>>>>>>>> and we get along with alot of people.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> many ukrainians have been politically actice -- in =
> coservative =3D
> >>>> party
> >>>>>>>>>> grass roots is good -- liberals are a top down party and the =
> NDP
> >>>>>>>>>> is heavilly controled by unions of which many support =
> marxists
> >>>>>>>>>> leninst parties. not our fortee.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> it is why any sane ukrainian in canada would support a =3D
> >>>> conservative =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> party.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> Our greatest supporter was John Defienbaker -- saw him at =
> many =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> ukrainian
> >>>>>>>>>> evernts during the 80's & 90's -- loved the man.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> add in the supreme court justices we did well.
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> so what is your probplem?
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael Kulyk wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> he created the commision
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> why would he do that?
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>> and he appointed a supreme court justise if anybody took =
> this =3D
> >>>> law
> >>>>>>>>>>> to the supreme court would vote against it. Sopinka who
> >>>>>>>>>>> worked for the comunity against the Deschenne commision was
> >>>>>>>>>>> apointed shortly after to the Supreme court -- WTF? Yep. was
> >>>>>>>>>>> this a counter measure to a community who may have donated a =
> =3D
> >>>> bit? --
> >>>>>>>>>>> possibly :)
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>> and the second supreme court justice of Ukrainian heritage =
> is
> >>>>>>>>>>> appointed by a conservative government (i.e. Justice Nadon) =
> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> I thought the liberals were so well liberal in who they =
> select.
> >>>>>>>>>>> His mother was of ukrainian heritage and many liberals and
> >>>>>>>>>>> quebecers were hostile to this individual.
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>> somehow two conservative governments have chose a candidate =
> for
> >>>>>>>>>>> the supreme court who has Ukrainian heritage in one form or
> >>>>>>>>>>> anothher -- is this bad? I think not.
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>> So are the conservatives bad? think not.
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-01-06, at 5:20 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And Mulrooney apointed to the supreme court the major =
> lawyer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> against the Dechenne comission -- why would he do that?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> what am I missing?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And nothing was in play till the liberals took power. Yep
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> somehow that was never spoken. If the liberals gave a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> damn it would have never moved forward.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Add insult to injury UCC at the time was a Liberal lackey =
> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> he had no problems moving forward on this issue.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He said "quote unquote" -- they must have done something
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as you know these old guys.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> :O
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was Romaniw. our UCC president of the time.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Asshole and a full blown liberal. as most UCC presidents =
> over
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the previopus 40+ years.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and as you were saying. please continue.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> slavko
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Kulyk wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before u get on your horse u may wan to lookup deschenes =
> and =3D
> >>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> mulroney
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what happens to your logic if the cons get booted out of =
> =3D
> >>>> power?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-01-06, at 4:55 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I Hear you michael,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and yes, only one of five major parties have acted. =3D
> >>>> Liberals,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NDP, Bloc Quebecois, & Green Party failed. In fact =3D
> >>>> Elizabeth May =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> made
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snarky remarks about Haper's support for a Monument to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recognize the crimes gainst humanity by communists. She
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seemed more concerned actions by conservatives -- oh my =
> -- =3D
> >>>> =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> imagine
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she would say I don't care about nazi's or something =
> else =3D
> >>>> -- =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> sorry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soviets killed more, Chinese communists killed even =
> more,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is that not a crime? Guess not in terms of most =
> political
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parties in Canada except the conservatives.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so get off your hind legs and make the liberals do =3D
> >>>> something.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If Justin is the new saviour -- well bring him to our =
> side.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He seems to be more interested in communists and their =
> =3D
> >>>> ability
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to impose power. :O
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets get real, out of the last 4 decades only one party =
> =3D
> >>>> took our =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> comunity
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> properly and it was the conservatives -- so tell me how =
> the =3D
> >>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> liberals &
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ndp what they did? yep inconsequential.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know you can't.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just admit it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slavko
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Kulyk wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i was typing an answer to your reply
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> u just do not get it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who cares who is in poweer?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the only thing that is important is ukraine
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times are differet than just give those ukes a photo =
> with =3D
> >>>> a =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> minister
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make EACH party work for our votes !!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-01-06, at 4:33 PM, [email protected] =
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I thought so -- you have always been quick to comment =
> -- =3D
> >>>> you =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> know
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Liberals have dropped the ball on Ukraine. Just =3D=
>
> >>>> support =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> the =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> people
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know are helping our community. The rest only are =3D=
>
> >>>> giving lip =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> service.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets give support to those that are actualling doing =
> =3D
> >>>> something =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> -- =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Goldring
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who was expunged from the Conservatives gave more =
> support =3D
> >>>> for =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ukraine
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the Liberals. Lets get real. Give it a rest the =
> =3D
> >>>> liberal =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> propaganda.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slavko
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Okay Michael Kulyk,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets get real here. Cut the partisan BS out an lets =
> look =3D
> >>>> at =3D3D3D=3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> facts
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and actions with regards to our community. Actions =
> is =3D
> >>>> what =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> really
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> counts.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] Jean Chretien sent to the UCC congress a fax =
> which =3D
> >>>> is on =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Infoukes Site under internment promising he would =3D
> >>>> resolve the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internment issue under a Liberal Majority =
> government. =3D
> >>>> Thus =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then UCC leadership told PM Mulroney to F-off and =
> die s =3D
> >>>> they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had this fax. Morons. Mulroney walked away when he =
> was =3D3D=3D
> >>>>=20
> >>>>>>>>> willing
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to negotiate thru the night face to face. That would =
> =3D
> >>>> have =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> been
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a good thing as that is how Mulroney loved to do =
> things =3D
> >>>> face
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to face in a marathon session. d'ohhhh. Morons in =
> our =3D
> >>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> community.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] Jean Chretien pushed forward the war crimes =
> trials =3D3D=3D
> >>>>=20
> >>>>>>>>> against
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ukrainian Canadians.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3] Three majority governments later f*** all. If =3D
> >>>> anything =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ministers
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the crown were down right hostile to Ukrainian =3D
> >>>> community
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activists.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [4] Paul Martin took over after he stabed Jean =
> Chretien =3D
> >>>> in =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> the =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> back
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and forced him out. Well okay -- he then put forward =
> his =3D
> >>>> plan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only after Inky Mark's Bill C-331 was on the verge =
> of =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> passing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW Inky Mark was first a Reform MP, then a Canadian =
> =3D
> >>>> Alliance
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MP and then a Conservative MP -- His bill was a =3D
> >>>> backbencher
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legislation that had the support of the =
> Conservatives, =3D
> >>>> the =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> NDP
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and even the Bloc Quebecois -- the Liberals fought =
> it =3D
> >>>> tooth
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nail till it appeared an election was coming up and =
> they =3D
> >>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the wrong side ethically. They did a flip when =
> they =3D
> >>>> saw =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legislation would pass with or without their vote. =
> Thus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they jumped on board only then regardless of =3D
> >>>> Wrzesnewskyj.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [5] Paul Martin then offered the asked amount but =
> 2-5 =3D
> >>>> years
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down the line. Hey they spent more in alcohol for =3D
> >>>> embassies
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> per year than the amount the Ukrainian community was =
> =3D
> >>>> asking.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [6] It was PM Harper who actually first apologized =
> on =3D
> >>>> the =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> behalf
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Canada for the Internment action and secondly =
> paid =3D
> >>>> out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the payements asked for by the Ukrainian community. =
> =3D
> >>>> Despite
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance by our various community negotiators. =
> Names =3D
> >>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remain unnamed. I had feedback from those in the =
> know. =3D
> >>>> Man
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a certain individual had them within menutes of =
> walking =3D
> >>>> away
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but Harper told then to settle despite the asshole.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [7] Borys Wrzesnewslyj then sold his soul to Michael =
> =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> Ignatieff
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who's family used extreme actiona against Ukraine in =
> =3D
> >>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to conquer Ukrainians and were granted =
> property
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Ukraine. Borys in stead of going to the back =
> benches
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as his colleague Justin Trudeau, he decided to sell =
> his =3D
> >>>> soul
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Ignatieff -- it is that action that lost him his =
> =3D
> >>>> riding
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by 26 votes of which people in the Ukrainian old =
> folks
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> abandoned him. If he would have taken the moral =
> road, he
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would be there in parliament today. Yes his ambition =
> was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more inportant that the community -- bad judgement. =
> His =3D
> >>>> loss.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [8] A conservative senator of Ukrainian heritage =3D
> >>>> (Senator
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andreychuk -- Mulroney conservative from =
> Sakatchewan) =3D
> >>>> pushed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thru the Holodomor as a Genocide legislation -- =
> Sorry =3D
> >>>> Borys
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did not do that under a Liberal government.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [9] Justin trudeau as the new Liberal leader has =3D
> >>>> expressed =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> his
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opinion stating that he admires China's communist =
> regime
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for their ability to do things -- yes totalitariasm =
> =3D
> >>>> works
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very well. sad as his father Pierre Elliot Trudeau =
> acted =3D
> >>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the walter duranty on 1958 and covered up the crimes =
> of =3D
> >>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great leap forward perpetrated by Mao which killed =
> 20+ =3D3D=3D
> >>>>=20
> >>>>>>>>> million
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chinese. Funny as Walter Duranty did the same thing =
> for =3D
> >>>> =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> Stalin.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was Trudeau's brother that glorified Pierre's =
> trip to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> China and defended his actions. Moron.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [10] PM Harper killed the war crimes agenda/actions =
> wrt =3D
> >>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ukrainian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canadians.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [11] PM Harper went to Ukraine and actually visited =
> the =3D
> >>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Holodomor
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monument and also visited the Ukrainian Cathoic =3D
> >>>> University
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Lvi when they where threatened by the SBU
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [12] Our new "Liberal Star Candidate" who's mother =
> was a =3D
> >>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> communist
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Alberta, won a a by-election in an extreme =
> left-wing =3D
> >>>> =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> riding
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Toronto as a Liberal on November 25th has been =3D
> >>>> extremely
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quiet on the events in Ukraine. Now whether she is =
> being
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> told by the Liberals to shut up or she never had =
> that =3D
> >>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ukrainian
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feeling to begin with. Time will decide that. I =
> suspect
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that she was over-hyped by Ukrainians in the =
> community =3D
> >>>> for =3D3D3D=3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> things
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she never promised.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [13] John Baird as Minister of Foreign Affairs of =
> Canada =3D
> >>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> actually
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> went to Independence Square to talk to the =
> protesters -- =3D
> >>>> =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> have =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen any other MP go there and express their direct =
> =3D
> >>>> support. =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yes, the other party's don't give a f***. If they =
> did, =3D
> >>>> they =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have sent an MP over their break to do so. =
> Considering =3D
> >>>> their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rich travel budget would have figured at least one =
> MP =3D
> >>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have gone. -- hmmm -- nobody.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So tell me, am I wrong?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liberals have done f*** all for our community and =
> they =3D
> >>>> were =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> in =3D3D3D3D=3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aposition
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do so.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So give it a rest. Actions speak louder than words. =
> Tell =3D
> >>>> me =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> one =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> good
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing the Federal Liberals did for our community?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slavko
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Kulyk wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chinese always get away with murder
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grod has not paid ANY price for his support of the =
> =3D
> >>>> museum
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UCC support of the cons makes me sick
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ukrainians in canada should be across party lines- =
> the =3D
> >>>> =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> issue =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is =3D3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ukraine =3D3D3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - NOT the political process in canada
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not only the con camp
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2014-01-06, at 11:29 AM, [email protected] =3D=
>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WOW
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have thought since day one our communities =3D
> >>>> involvement in =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> white elephant as a bad idea. UCC made a big =
> mistake =3D
> >>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> supporting
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this. Money better spent in community development. =
> =3D
> >>>> Grod has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accounting to do for this.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always knew they would denegrate/minimize the =3D
> >>>> holodomor.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering the #1 holocaust was Mao against the =3D=
>
> >>>> Chinese =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> people in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1958-1960o in the great leap forward, second place =
> was =3D
> >>>> =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> Ukraine
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the Holodomor 1932-33. Now comes the debate =
> about =3D3D=3D
> >>>>=20
> >>>>>>>>> Ethiopia =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in =3D3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> place in the 80's where it was thought 8-10 =
> million =3D
> >>>> died by =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marxist soviet backed regime. Fourth place was =
> NAZI =3D
> >>>> Germany =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their crimes of the Holocaust.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why in the top 4, 3 of the 4 regimes where =
> communist =3D3D=3D
> >>>>=20
> >>>>>>>>> regines =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> roots of support in Moscow? Anybody ever ask this? =
> Why =3D
> >>>> is =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> this =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brought to the forefront?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Orysia Tracz wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://blackrod.blogspot.ca/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> O
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald =
> William =3D
> >>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kokodyniak
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West =
> Webmaster =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> InfoUkes =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Inc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --=3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald =
> William =3D
> >>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kokodyniak
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster =
> =3D
> >>>> InfoUkes =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Inc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =3D3D3D
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --=3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald =
> William =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> Kokodyniak
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster =3D=
>
> >>>> InfoUkes =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> Inc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> [email protected]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --=3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William =
> =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> Kokodyniak
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster =3D
> >>>> InfoUkes =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> Inc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> [email protected]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =3D3D
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --=3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William =3D=
>
> >>>> Kokodyniak
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster =
> InfoUkes =3D
> >>>> Inc.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =3D
> >>>> [email protected]
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =3D
> >>>> http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>> --=3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William =3D
> >>>> Kokodyniak
> >>>>>>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster =
> InfoUkes =3D
> >>>> Inc.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =3D
> >>>> [email protected]
> >>>>>>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =3D
> >>>> http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> --=3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William =3D
> >>>> Kokodyniak
> >>>>>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster =
> InfoUkes =3D
> >>>> Inc.
> >>>>>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =3D
> >>>> [email protected]
> >>>>>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =3D
> >>>> http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>>>>>>>> =3D3D20
> >>>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>>> --=3D20
> >>>>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William =
> Kokodyniak
> >>>>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes =
> Inc.
> >>>>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =
> [email protected]
> >>>>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =
> http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>>> --=3D20
> >>>>>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William =
> Kokodyniak
> >>>>>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes =
> Inc.
> >>>>>> Etobicoke, Ontario =
> [email protected]
> >>>>>> Canada M8X 2Y8 =
> http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>>>> =3D20
> >>>>> =3D20
> >>>>=20
> >>>=20
> >>>=20
> >>> --=20
> >>> InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William Kokodyniak
> >>> Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes Inc.
> >>> Etobicoke, Ontario [email protected]
> >>> Canada M8X 2Y8 http://www.infoukes.com/
> >>>=20
> >>=20
> >=20
>
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InfoUkes Inc. Gerald William Kokodyniak
Suite 185, 3044 Bloor Street West Webmaster InfoUkes Inc.
Etobicoke, Ontario [email protected]
Canada M8X 2Y8 http://www.infoukes.com/
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